Comments on: Mashups of Bibliographic Data: A Report of the ALCTS Midwinter Forum http://dltj.org/article/mashups-of-bib-data/ We're Disrupted, We're Librarians, and We're Not Going to Take It Anymore Mon, 06 Sep 2010 04:21:34 +0000 hourly 1 By: Open Library issues « P E R S O N A L ~ V E N D A T T A http://dltj.org/article/mashups-of-bib-data/comment-page-1/#comment-60249 Open Library issues « P E R S O N A L ~ V E N D A T T A Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:21:17 +0000 http://dltj.org/?p=1478#comment-60249 [...] poking around for info on/about the semantic web, i came across Mashups of Bibliographic Data… and took comfort in knowing that the Open Library project faced some of the same issues as we are [...] [...] poking around for info on/about the semantic web, i came across Mashups of Bibliographic Data… and took comfort in knowing that the Open Library project faced some of the same issues as we are [...]

]]> By: Monday, January 18 - Presentations http://dltj.org/article/mashups-of-bib-data/comment-page-1/#comment-45132 Monday, January 18 - Presentations Sun, 21 Feb 2010 11:09:49 +0000 http://dltj.org/?p=1478#comment-45132 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] 2/12/10:Peter Murray blogged this session on <a href="http://dltj.org/article/mashups-of-bib-data/">Disruptive Library Technology Jester</a>, as did <a [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> Kramer auto Pingback[...] 2/12/10:Peter Murray blogged this session on <a href="http://dltj.org/article/mashups-of-bib-data/">Disruptive Library Technology Jester</a>, as did <a [...]

]]> By: CENTRAL TECHNICAL SERVICES TSI 2010 (ctsyell10) http://dltj.org/article/mashups-of-bib-data/comment-page-1/#comment-44876 CENTRAL TECHNICAL SERVICES TSI 2010 (ctsyell10) Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:22:39 +0000 http://dltj.org/?p=1478#comment-44876 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] I have seen two write ups on the program, so again, rather than writing up my own notes, here at the links to their write ups. Eric Hellman's blog is at: http://go-to-hellman.blogspot.com/2010/01/google-exposes-book-metadata-privates.html and by Disruptive Library Technology Jester: http://dltj.org/article/mashups-of-bib-data/ [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> Kramer auto Pingback[...] I have seen two write ups on the program, so again, rather than writing up my own notes, here at the links to their write ups. Eric Hellman's blog is at: http://go-to-hellman.blogspot.com/2010/01/google-exposes-book-metadata-privates.html and by Disruptive Library Technology Jester: http://dltj.org/article/mashups-of-bib-data/ [...]

]]> By: Interesting Google Book Search Settlement Bits in Advance of Thursday’s Fairness Hearing | Disruptive Library Technology Jester http://dltj.org/article/mashups-of-bib-data/comment-page-1/#comment-44599 Interesting Google Book Search Settlement Bits in Advance of Thursday’s Fairness Hearing | Disruptive Library Technology Jester Tue, 16 Feb 2010 02:23:24 +0000 http://dltj.org/?p=1478#comment-44599 [...] Thursday will be a big day in the Google Book Search lawsuit settlement: the parties to the lawsuit, along with the objectors, supporters, and friends-of-the-court, will be in the courtroom of United States District Judge Denny Chin offering oral arguments in the final settlement/fairness hearing. In his order, Judge Chin recognized 26 parties that will speak for up to five minutes each on their positions in the settlement (21 in opposition, 5 in favor). The U.S. Department of Justice will also speak at the hearing. But I think we’re all eagerly awaiting to hear what the judge himself will say about the settlement agreement.In the lead-up to the hearing, Associate Professor James Grimmelmann at the New York Law School has continued his efforts, along with the students from the Institute for Information Law and Policy at New York Law School, to make the documents and proceedings of the lawsuit accessible and understandable to non-lawyers. In the most recent court filings leading up to Thursday’s hearing are some interesting nuggets.In his posting on the motion for attorneys fees, he notes that “counsel for the author sub-class are asking for the full $30 million in fees and reimbursement of their out-of-pocket costs.” The filing contains information about the number of hours and the billing rate for some of the lawyers working on the case. Some of the stuff is just really interesting, like one filing that included everything from 18 hours by a partner of a firm (who is also a law professor at NYU) at rate of $995/hour to an itemization of 51¢ for long distance calls by the firm related to the case. Whew!More interesting to DLTJ readers would be Grimmelmann’s highlights of Dan Clancy’s declaration in support of the agreement. Dan Clancy is engineering director of the Google Book Search project, so he has a unique insight into the inner workings. Grimmlemann notes that Clancy states:To date, Google has Digitized over twelve million books, and intends to continue Digitizing books in the future.Google has received metadata from 48 libraries.Google pays approximately $2.5 million per year to license metadata from 21 commercial databases of information about books.Google has gathered 3.27 billion records about Books, and analyzed them to identify more than 174 million unique works.The third bullet is interesting in that I think we can eliminate one of the “commercial databases” from the list. I can’t find it in my notes from ALA Midwinter, but I seem to recall hearing Jay Jordan (OCLC President) say something along the lines that OCLC was not receiving a monetary return from the sharing of bibliographic data with Google; the value OCLC gets for its membership comes from the links back to WorldCat from Google services. If I got this wrong, I hope someone from OCLC will call me out on it.The last bullet is interesting, too: Google has identifying 174 million works in analyzing all of the sources of data coming into it. I tried to find some numbers in the descriptions of WorldCat to compare that to, but didn’t have any luck this evening. (There isn’t anything about statistics available on http://worldcat.org/?)To Grimmelmann’s highlights I would add this statement that seems strangely out-of-place.Google has no interest in censorship. Indeed, Google’s mission is to organize the world’s information and make it universally accessible and useful.Has anyone brought censorship into the discussion yet? Privacy for sure, but censorship?Also:Google has developed algorithms to compare these numerous sources of metadata and identify the most accurate data about each book.They certainly seem to have invested a lot of effort in this area. More info can be found in my summary of Kurt Groetsch’s presentation at ALA Midwinter 2010. [...] [...] Thursday will be a big day in the Google Book Search lawsuit settlement: the parties to the lawsuit, along with the objectors, supporters, and friends-of-the-court, will be in the courtroom of United States District Judge Denny Chin offering oral arguments in the final settlement/fairness hearing. In his order, Judge Chin recognized 26 parties that will speak for up to five minutes each on their positions in the settlement (21 in opposition, 5 in favor). The U.S. Department of Justice will also speak at the hearing. But I think we’re all eagerly awaiting to hear what the judge himself will say about the settlement agreement.In the lead-up to the hearing, Associate Professor James Grimmelmann at the New York Law School has continued his efforts, along with the students from the Institute for Information Law and Policy at New York Law School, to make the documents and proceedings of the lawsuit accessible and understandable to non-lawyers. In the most recent court filings leading up to Thursday’s hearing are some interesting nuggets.In his posting on the motion for attorneys fees, he notes that “counsel for the author sub-class are asking for the full $30 million in fees and reimbursement of their out-of-pocket costs.” The filing contains information about the number of hours and the billing rate for some of the lawyers working on the case. Some of the stuff is just really interesting, like one filing that included everything from 18 hours by a partner of a firm (who is also a law professor at NYU) at rate of $995/hour to an itemization of 51¢ for long distance calls by the firm related to the case. Whew!More interesting to DLTJ readers would be Grimmelmann’s highlights of Dan Clancy’s declaration in support of the agreement. Dan Clancy is engineering director of the Google Book Search project, so he has a unique insight into the inner workings. Grimmlemann notes that Clancy states:To date, Google has Digitized over twelve million books, and intends to continue Digitizing books in the future.Google has received metadata from 48 libraries.Google pays approximately $2.5 million per year to license metadata from 21 commercial databases of information about books.Google has gathered 3.27 billion records about Books, and analyzed them to identify more than 174 million unique works.The third bullet is interesting in that I think we can eliminate one of the “commercial databases” from the list. I can’t find it in my notes from ALA Midwinter, but I seem to recall hearing Jay Jordan (OCLC President) say something along the lines that OCLC was not receiving a monetary return from the sharing of bibliographic data with Google; the value OCLC gets for its membership comes from the links back to WorldCat from Google services. If I got this wrong, I hope someone from OCLC will call me out on it.The last bullet is interesting, too: Google has identifying 174 million works in analyzing all of the sources of data coming into it. I tried to find some numbers in the descriptions of WorldCat to compare that to, but didn’t have any luck this evening. (There isn’t anything about statistics available on http://worldcat.org/?)To Grimmelmann’s highlights I would add this statement that seems strangely out-of-place.Google has no interest in censorship. Indeed, Google’s mission is to organize the world’s information and make it universally accessible and useful.Has anyone brought censorship into the discussion yet? Privacy for sure, but censorship?Also:Google has developed algorithms to compare these numerous sources of metadata and identify the most accurate data about each book.They certainly seem to have invested a lot of effort in this area. More info can be found in my summary of Kurt Groetsch’s presentation at ALA Midwinter 2010. [...]

]]> By: The FRBR Blog: Blog Archive » Last Week in FRBR #14 http://dltj.org/article/mashups-of-bib-data/comment-page-1/#comment-43703 The FRBR Blog: Blog Archive » Last Week in FRBR #14 Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:34:32 +0000 http://dltj.org/?p=1478#comment-43703 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Peter Murray was also there, and wrote it up in Mashups of Bibliographic Data: A Report of the ALCTS Midwinter Forum: [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> Kramer auto Pingback[...] Peter Murray was also there, and wrote it up in Mashups of Bibliographic Data: A Report of the ALCTS Midwinter Forum: [...]

]]> By: Go To Hellman: Google Exposes Book Metadata Privates at ALA Forum http://dltj.org/article/mashups-of-bib-data/comment-page-1/#comment-43612 Go To Hellman: Google Exposes Book Metadata Privates at ALA Forum Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:26:21 +0000 http://dltj.org/?p=1478#comment-43612 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] nice summary of the same session is over at Disruptive Library Technology [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> Kramer auto Pingback[...] nice summary of the same session is over at Disruptive Library Technology [...]

]]> By: Le catalogue en débat (05/02/10) « pintiniblog http://dltj.org/article/mashups-of-bib-data/comment-page-1/#comment-43469 Le catalogue en débat (05/02/10) « pintiniblog Fri, 05 Feb 2010 07:12:51 +0000 http://dltj.org/?p=1478#comment-43469 [...] Mashups of Bibliographic Data: A Report of the ALCTS Midwinter Forum (Disruptive Library Technology Jester, 27/01/2010) [...] [...] Mashups of Bibliographic Data: A Report of the ALCTS Midwinter Forum (Disruptive Library Technology Jester, 27/01/2010) [...]

]]> By: Peter Murray http://dltj.org/article/mashups-of-bib-data/comment-page-1/#comment-43230 Peter Murray Wed, 03 Feb 2010 00:35:06 +0000 http://dltj.org/?p=1478#comment-43230 That is a very good point, Bryan. Something that probably wasn't considered when AACR2 was being drafted, but it is certainly more important in today's environment. I wonder if this is something being considered by the NISO <a href="http://www.niso.org/workrooms/physdel" rel="nofollow">Physical Delivery of Library Resources Working Group</a>. That is a very good point, Bryan. Something that probably wasn’t considered when AACR2 was being drafted, but it is certainly more important in today’s environment. I wonder if this is something being considered by the NISO Physical Delivery of Library Resources Working Group.

]]> By: HotStuff 2.0 » Blog Archive » Word of the Day: “instincts” http://dltj.org/article/mashups-of-bib-data/comment-page-1/#comment-42782 HotStuff 2.0 » Blog Archive » Word of the Day: “instincts” Sat, 30 Jan 2010 05:05:52 +0000 http://dltj.org/?p=1478#comment-42782 [...] of Bibliographic Data: A Report of the ALCTS Midwinter Forum [web link]Disruptive Library Technology Jester (27/Jan/2010)“…libraries renee said our instincts [...] [...] of Bibliographic Data: A Report of the ALCTS Midwinter Forum [web link]Disruptive Library Technology Jester (27/Jan/2010)“…libraries renee said our instincts [...]

]]> By: Bryan Campbell http://dltj.org/article/mashups-of-bib-data/comment-page-1/#comment-42738 Bryan Campbell Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:09:12 +0000 http://dltj.org/?p=1478#comment-42738 On product dimensions. Libraries also pack and ship books (resource sharing/ILL) and store same locally on shelves and and in off-site storage facilities. I see this data being used to help libraries better manage their local collections (anticipating if there is enough shelving for incoming materials rather than after receipt, shifting, assigning locations in off-site storage ahead of time) and off-site storage facilities. Given these activities, you would think that libraries would be much more interested in product dimensions (besides height) and weight. Bryan Campbell Charleston, SC On product dimensions.

Libraries also pack and ship books (resource sharing/ILL) and store same locally on shelves and and in off-site storage facilities. I see this data being used to help libraries better manage their local collections (anticipating if there is enough shelving for incoming materials rather than after receipt, shifting, assigning locations in off-site storage ahead of time) and off-site storage facilities. Given these activities, you would think that libraries would be much more interested in product dimensions (besides height) and weight.

Bryan Campbell
Charleston, SC

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