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	<title>Comments on: Buzzwords Galore and Bandwidth that May Rival Your Stationwagon</title>
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	<description>We&#039;re Disrupted, We&#039;re Librarians, and We&#039;re Not Going to Take It Anymore</description>
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		<title>By: Low-tech Magazine: Truckloads of hard disks</title>
		<link>http://dltj.org/article/internet2-hopi-network/comment-page-1/#comment-35251</link>
		<dc:creator>Low-tech Magazine: Truckloads of hard disks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 14:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] A couple of years ago I attempted calculations for the bandwidth of a Boeing 747 filled with BluRay discs traveling between New York and Los Angeles. 74Tb/s. (http://dltj.org/article/internet2-hopi-network/#comment-2142) [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://dev.wp-plugins.org/wiki/Kramer"><img src="http://dltj.org/wp-content/plugins/kramer/kramer.php?kramer=gif-icon" class="technorati-balloon" alt="Kramer auto Pingback" style="border:0;" /></a>[...] A couple of years ago I attempted calculations for the bandwidth of a Boeing 747 filled with BluRay discs traveling between New York and Los Angeles. 74Tb/s. (<a href="http://dltj.org/article/internet2-hopi-network/#comment-2142" rel="nofollow">http://dltj.org/article/internet2-hopi-network/#comment-2142</a>) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: the Jester</title>
		<link>http://dltj.org/article/internet2-hopi-network/comment-page-1/#comment-35074</link>
		<dc:creator>the Jester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It started with Cliff&#039;s comments at a LITA Top Tech Trends meeting.  I just took it to the extreme and beyond.  And it is an honor to be confused with such an individual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It started with Cliff&#8217;s comments at a LITA Top Tech Trends meeting.  I just took it to the extreme and beyond.  And it is an honor to be confused with such an individual.</p>
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		<title>By: walt crawford</title>
		<link>http://dltj.org/article/internet2-hopi-network/comment-page-1/#comment-35073</link>
		<dc:creator>walt crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops. I confused you and Cliff Lynch. Which, I suppose, could be taken as an honor. So, really, he started the concept, I refined it, and you provided actual figures. So we&#039;re now up to 74 terabits/second, using double-disc slimline holders. Not bad for air transport, which is what &quot;snail mail&quot; uses for first-class mail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops. I confused you and Cliff Lynch. Which, I suppose, could be taken as an honor. So, really, he started the concept, I refined it, and you provided actual figures. So we&#8217;re now up to 74 terabits/second, using double-disc slimline holders. Not bad for air transport, which is what &#8220;snail mail&#8221; uses for first-class mail.</p>
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		<title>By: the Jester</title>
		<link>http://dltj.org/article/internet2-hopi-network/comment-page-1/#comment-35072</link>
		<dc:creator>the Jester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This topic &lt;a href=&quot;http://friendfeed.com/e/f3a1f19c-cd44-e157-ae7e-d49c105d18c9/Sending-500-GB-goes-faster-by-foot-than-by-DSL/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;comes around&lt;/a&gt; again.  Too bad most of the links to the sources of information are broken...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This topic <a href="http://friendfeed.com/e/f3a1f19c-cd44-e157-ae7e-d49c105d18c9/Sending-500-GB-goes-faster-by-foot-than-by-DSL/" rel="nofollow">comes around</a> again.  Too bad most of the links to the sources of information are broken&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: James Morris' Tumbleblog - Bandwidth of a 747 full of blu-ray DVDs.</title>
		<link>http://dltj.org/article/internet2-hopi-network/comment-page-1/#comment-33430</link>
		<dc:creator>James Morris' Tumbleblog - Bandwidth of a 747 full of blu-ray DVDs.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] Bandwidth of a 747 full of blu-ray DVDs.     Posted at 12:16am Permalink &#8734;       Page 1 of 1 [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: the jester</title>
		<link>http://dltj.org/article/internet2-hopi-network/comment-page-1/#comment-17764</link>
		<dc:creator>the jester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 19:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And much does the Internet weigh?  Not that this is really related to the original topic, but &lt;a href=&quot;http://technology.guardian.co.uk/weekly/story/0,,2096636,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the Guardian newspaper ran a story yesterday with the answer&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;About two ounces (60 grams), or perhaps 0.2 millionths of an ounce (6 micrograms), depending which method you use to calculate the weight of the active electrons necessary to sustain the global network.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And much does the Internet weigh?  Not that this is really related to the original topic, but <a href="http://technology.guardian.co.uk/weekly/story/0,,2096636,00.html" rel="nofollow">the Guardian newspaper ran a story yesterday with the answer</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>About two ounces (60 grams), or perhaps 0.2 millionths of an ounce (6 micrograms), depending which method you use to calculate the weight of the active electrons necessary to sustain the global network.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: john wilson</title>
		<link>http://dltj.org/article/internet2-hopi-network/comment-page-1/#comment-10363</link>
		<dc:creator>john wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 06:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How much bandwidth does a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bandwidtht1.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;T1&lt;/a&gt; Line eat up? That is an amazing story. Makes you think. Bandwidth in the eye of the Internet beholder!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much bandwidth does a <a href="http://www.bandwidtht1.com" rel="nofollow">T1</a> Line eat up? That is an amazing story. Makes you think. Bandwidth in the eye of the Internet beholder!</p>
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		<title>By: Dorothea</title>
		<link>http://dltj.org/article/internet2-hopi-network/comment-page-1/#comment-2184</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorothea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The latency&#039;s a bear, though...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The latency&#8217;s a bear, though&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: the jester</title>
		<link>http://dltj.org/article/internet2-hopi-network/comment-page-1/#comment-2167</link>
		<dc:creator>the jester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Walt, although it might be best to substitute &quot;I&#039;m thoroughly impressed&quot; with &quot;You&#039;re thoroughly obsessed.&quot;

I didn&#039;t know about the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.officedepot.com/ddSKU.do?level=SK&amp;id=271936&amp;No=10&amp;Nr=200000&amp;N=200115&amp;An=browse&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Office Depot&#174; CD Double Slim Jewel Cases&lt;/a&gt; &#8212; that would effectively double the bandwidth.  I did make a choice not to use the Tyvek sleeves (as if this choice really meant something!) because of all of the bouncing around a Boeing 747 would encounter on take-off and landing &#8212; we do have our commitment to media preservation to uphold, after all.  Besides, that would decrease our bandwidth because of the increased need for checksum discs and other error-correction schemes should some quantity of disks fail in flight.  (Retransmission of the entire 747-sized packet is a lot of overhead.)

I am starting to get concerned, however, about exceeding the lift capacity of the air frame.  That, however, is left as an exercise for the (next) reader...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Walt, although it might be best to substitute &#8220;I&#8217;m thoroughly impressed&#8221; with &#8220;You&#8217;re thoroughly obsessed.&#8221;</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t know about the <a href="http://www.officedepot.com/ddSKU.do?level=SK&#038;id=271936&#038;No=10&#038;Nr=200000&#038;N=200115&#038;An=browse" rel="nofollow">Office Depot&reg; CD Double Slim Jewel Cases</a> &mdash; that would effectively double the bandwidth.  I did make a choice not to use the Tyvek sleeves (as if this choice really meant something!) because of all of the bouncing around a Boeing 747 would encounter on take-off and landing &mdash; we do have our commitment to media preservation to uphold, after all.  Besides, that would decrease our bandwidth because of the increased need for checksum discs and other error-correction schemes should some quantity of disks fail in flight.  (Retransmission of the entire 747-sized packet is a lot of overhead.)</p>
<p>I am starting to get concerned, however, about exceeding the lift capacity of the air frame.  That, however, is left as an exercise for the (next) reader&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: walt crawford</title>
		<link>http://dltj.org/article/internet2-hopi-network/comment-page-1/#comment-2146</link>
		<dc:creator>walt crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 03:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Librarians really do know how to find stuff. I&#039;m thoroughly impressed.

But...Office Depot (for one) now sells slim jewel cases that hold TWO CDs or DVDs or Blu-ray discs each (that is, four in the equivalent space of one regular jewel box.

So that makes it 74Tb/s. Not bad for physical shipment.

I could get fancy and suggest that using Tyvek sleeves might allow you to cram in even more, which is true enough (I get around 3.5 sleeved discs in the space of a single slim jewel box), and that puts the bandwidth at something better than 100Tb/s. But that also leaves the discs pretty well unprotected...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Librarians really do know how to find stuff. I&#8217;m thoroughly impressed.</p>
<p>But&#8230;Office Depot (for one) now sells slim jewel cases that hold TWO CDs or DVDs or Blu-ray discs each (that is, four in the equivalent space of one regular jewel box.</p>
<p>So that makes it 74Tb/s. Not bad for physical shipment.</p>
<p>I could get fancy and suggest that using Tyvek sleeves might allow you to cram in even more, which is true enough (I get around 3.5 sleeved discs in the space of a single slim jewel box), and that puts the bandwidth at something better than 100Tb/s. But that also leaves the discs pretty well unprotected&#8230;</p>
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