<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" xmlns:creativeCommons="http://backend.userland.com/creativeCommonsRssModule"	> <channel><title>Comments on: A Note to ILS Vendors:  Can&#8217;t We All Just Get Along?</title> <atom:link href="http://dltj.org/article/ils-vendor-cooperation/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://dltj.org/article/ils-vendor-cooperation/</link> <description>We&#039;re Disrupted, We&#039;re Librarians, and We&#039;re Not Going to Take It Anymore</description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 16:01:37 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Panlibus &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Should interoperability mandate partnership?</title><link>http://dltj.org/article/ils-vendor-cooperation/comment-page-1/#comment-33527</link> <dc:creator>Panlibus &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Should interoperability mandate partnership?</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:02:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">https://dltj.org/?p=377#comment-33527</guid> <description>[...] He is picking up on extracts from the JISC/SCONUL Library Management Systems Study as commented upon by the Disruptive Library Technology [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] He is picking up on extracts from the JISC/SCONUL Library Management Systems Study as commented upon by the Disruptive Library Technology [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Stupendous Amazing Library: Major ILS vendors not really interested in interoperating</title><link>http://dltj.org/article/ils-vendor-cooperation/comment-page-1/#comment-33524</link> <dc:creator>Stupendous Amazing Library: Major ILS vendors not really interested in interoperating</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 00:17:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">https://dltj.org/?p=377#comment-33524</guid> <description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] ILS vendors not really interested in interoperating    From DLTJ:...the authors interviewed the four major vendors of integrated library systems in higher education [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://cdn.dltj.org/wp-content/plugins/kramer/kramer.gif" class="technorati-balloon" alt="Kramer auto Pingback" style="border:0;" />[...] ILS vendors not really interested in interoperating    From DLTJ:&#8230;the authors interviewed the four major vendors of integrated library systems in higher education [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: the Jester</title><link>http://dltj.org/article/ils-vendor-cooperation/comment-page-1/#comment-33473</link> <dc:creator>the Jester</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 02:36:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">https://dltj.org/?p=377#comment-33473</guid> <description>@George -- I agree with your statement:  the marketplace is in an unhealthy feedback loop.  I also agree that the shake-up is likely to come from open source projects.  The twist that you left unmentioned is the role of commercial support options for open source projects.  The &lt;a href=&quot;http://dltj.org/article/aligning-clashing-values/&quot;  rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dynamics between customer and vendor are considerably different when the object of the support is an open source system&lt;/a&gt; -- the ability to move from one support vendor to another unsticks much of unhealthy feedback loop.@Richard -- you correctly bring up the issue of the form of the question...it is a historical look at past integrations and not necessarily a statement of planned or future integration.  We actually have a common phrase for that here in America -- &lt;i&gt;&quot;Past Performance is No Guarantee of Future Results&quot;&lt;/i&gt; -- something that is &lt;a href=&quot;http://beginnersinvest.about.com/od/investstrategiesstyles/a/aa081906a.htm&quot;rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;included in any manner of financial service offering&lt;/a&gt;.Your points about the industry in transition -- of heavy-weight and light-weight integrations -- are well articulated.  That said, I also subscribe to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.forbes.com/claytonchristensen/2008/05/05/microsoft-yahoo-google-lead-clayton_in_cc_0505claytonchristensen_inl.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Clayton Christensen&#039;s theory that an organizations resources, processes and values make it very difficult for it to change direction&lt;/a&gt;.  In this case, to move from heavy-weight to light-weight interfaces.  Even if the soul of the company is willing, Christensen theorizes that the organization would have to stop listening to its best customers in order to achieve the shift.  In such cases, &lt;i&gt;Past Performance is really a Very Strong Indicator of Future Results.&lt;/i&gt;Thank you to both of you for your comments.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@George &#8212; I agree with your statement:  the marketplace is in an unhealthy feedback loop.  I also agree that the shake-up is likely to come from open source projects.  The twist that you left unmentioned is the role of commercial support options for open source projects.  The <a href="http://dltj.org/article/aligning-clashing-values/"  rel="nofollow">dynamics between customer and vendor are considerably different when the object of the support is an open source system</a> &#8212; the ability to move from one support vendor to another unsticks much of unhealthy feedback loop.</p><p>@Richard &#8212; you correctly bring up the issue of the form of the question&#8230;it is a historical look at past integrations and not necessarily a statement of planned or future integration.  We actually have a common phrase for that here in America &#8212; <i>&#8220;Past Performance is No Guarantee of Future Results&#8221;</i> &#8212; something that is <a href="http://beginnersinvest.about.com/od/investstrategiesstyles/a/aa081906a.htm"rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">included in any manner of financial service offering</a>.</p><p>Your points about the industry in transition &#8212; of heavy-weight and light-weight integrations &#8212; are well articulated.  That said, I also subscribe to <a href="http://www.forbes.com/claytonchristensen/2008/05/05/microsoft-yahoo-google-lead-clayton_in_cc_0505claytonchristensen_inl.html" rel="nofollow">Clayton Christensen&#8217;s theory that an organizations resources, processes and values make it very difficult for it to change direction</a>.  In this case, to move from heavy-weight to light-weight interfaces.  Even if the soul of the company is willing, Christensen theorizes that the organization would have to stop listening to its best customers in order to achieve the shift.  In such cases, <i>Past Performance is really a Very Strong Indicator of Future Results.</i></p><p>Thank you to both of you for your comments.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Richard Wallis</title><link>http://dltj.org/article/ils-vendor-cooperation/comment-page-1/#comment-33457</link> <dc:creator>Richard Wallis</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 21:49:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">https://dltj.org/?p=377#comment-33457</guid> <description>While not trying to duck the issues you quite rightly highlight, I would point out that the questions were in the present tense.  Answering with &#039;our products &lt;em&gt;will&lt;/em&gt; integrate, etc., etc.&#039;, would have no doubt drawn equal scepticism, but for different reasons.The answers you picked out are symptomatic of an industry in transition.  Transition from products without exception based on architectures that never envisioned light-weight loosely-coupled integration. Transition to a REST based service oriented architecture where integration between library and non-library applications should be simple and based on simple and open standards.The &quot;&lt;em&gt;Do you have partnerships with other LMS/ERM vendors?&lt;/em&gt;&quot; question in the survey demonstrates an attachment to traditional thinking towards integration.  So far, with the traditional heavy-weight protocols we are used to in the library world, the only reliable way to get integration that works has been through a partnership between suppliers.  Web 2.0 has demonstrated that with simple light-weight protocols, integration is possible without the need for commercial partnerships.  There are many benefits that arise from partnerships, but they shouldn&#039;t be a prerequisite for successful integration.It is not all doom and gloom though.  Initiatives such as the &lt;a href=&quot;http://project.library.upenn.edu/confluence/display/ilsapi/Home&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;DLF&#039;s ILS API&lt;/a&gt; defining simple REST base protocols that all vendors should be able to support, have started to gather momentum in the last few months.  A momentum that appears to be supported both by vendors and open source groups.&lt;em&gt;Ah but will the vendors support such APIs?&lt;/em&gt; I hear you ask.  For an insight in to the surprisingly open and forward thinking of at least three of the vendors, I recommend a listen to &lt;span class=&quot;removed_link&quot; title=&quot;http://librarygang.talis.com/2008/05/06/may-2008-ils-api/&quot;&gt;last month&#039;s Library 2.0 Gang podcast &lt;/span&gt; (the position of the fourth even gets a mention).&lt;p style=&quot;padding:0;margin:0;font-style:italic;&quot;&gt;The text was modified to update a link from //project.library.upenn.edu/confluence/display/ilsapi/Home to http://project.library.upenn.edu/confluence/display/ilsapi/Home on December 30th, 2010.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;padding:0;margin:0;font-style:italic;&quot; class=&quot;removed_link&quot;&gt;The text was modified to remove a link to http://librarygang.talis.com/2008/05/06/may-2008-ils-api/ on June 9th, 2011.&lt;/p&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While not trying to duck the issues you quite rightly highlight, I would point out that the questions were in the present tense.  Answering with &#8216;our products <em>will</em> integrate, etc., etc.&#8217;, would have no doubt drawn equal scepticism, but for different reasons.</p><p>The answers you picked out are symptomatic of an industry in transition.  Transition from products without exception based on architectures that never envisioned light-weight loosely-coupled integration. Transition to a REST based service oriented architecture where integration between library and non-library applications should be simple and based on simple and open standards.</p><p>The &#8220;<em>Do you have partnerships with other LMS/ERM vendors?</em>&#8221; question in the survey demonstrates an attachment to traditional thinking towards integration.  So far, with the traditional heavy-weight protocols we are used to in the library world, the only reliable way to get integration that works has been through a partnership between suppliers.  Web 2.0 has demonstrated that with simple light-weight protocols, integration is possible without the need for commercial partnerships.  There are many benefits that arise from partnerships, but they shouldn&#8217;t be a prerequisite for successful integration.</p><p>It is not all doom and gloom though.  Initiatives such as the <a href="http://project.library.upenn.edu/confluence/display/ilsapi/Home" rel="nofollow">DLF&#8217;s ILS API</a> defining simple REST base protocols that all vendors should be able to support, have started to gather momentum in the last few months.  A momentum that appears to be supported both by vendors and open source groups.</p><p><em>Ah but will the vendors support such APIs?</em> I hear you ask.  For an insight in to the surprisingly open and forward thinking of at least three of the vendors, I recommend a listen to <span class="removed_link" title="http://librarygang.talis.com/2008/05/06/may-2008-ils-api/">last month&#8217;s Library 2.0 Gang podcast </span> (the position of the fourth even gets a mention).<p style="padding:0;margin:0;font-style:italic;">The text was modified to update a link from //project.library.upenn.edu/confluence/display/ilsapi/Home to <a href="http://project.library.upenn.edu/confluence/display/ilsapi/Home" rel="nofollow">http://project.library.upenn.edu/confluence/display/ilsapi/Home</a> on December 30th, 2010.</p><p style="padding:0;margin:0;font-style:italic;" class="removed_link">The text was modified to remove a link to <a href="http://librarygang.talis.com/2008/05/06/may-2008-ils-api/" rel="nofollow">http://librarygang.talis.com/2008/05/06/may-2008-ils-api/</a> on June 9th, 2011.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: George Duimovich</title><link>http://dltj.org/article/ils-vendor-cooperation/comment-page-1/#comment-33456</link> <dc:creator>George Duimovich</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:54:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">https://dltj.org/?p=377#comment-33456</guid> <description>The core of the problem seems unresolvable for the proprietary commercial vendors: there is simply not enough growth in the traditional relationship to support the kind of competitive and responsive marketplace that customers need. In turn, their struggle to remain viable businesses have left them reluctant to move away from the arcane pay-per-use business model that treats customers as competitors.Our role in this relationship is to not look elsewhere for solutions - either in the community or with competitors - and remain with the One Vendor to Do it All. And let&#039;s not forget to  &quot;re-purchase&quot; your ILS every couple of years too, with the latest &quot;special&quot; upgrade &#039;that&#039;s not included with annual maintenance&#039; etc.Some enterprising upstarts are challenging this, but I think most of the innovation and change will be catalyzed from the open source camps, where investments are just starting to rock &#039;n roll..</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The core of the problem seems unresolvable for the proprietary commercial vendors: there is simply not enough growth in the traditional relationship to support the kind of competitive and responsive marketplace that customers need. In turn, their struggle to remain viable businesses have left them reluctant to move away from the arcane pay-per-use business model that treats customers as competitors.</p><p>Our role in this relationship is to not look elsewhere for solutions &#8211; either in the community or with competitors &#8211; and remain with the One Vendor to Do it All. And let&#8217;s not forget to  &#8220;re-purchase&#8221; your ILS every couple of years too, with the latest &#8220;special&#8221; upgrade &#8216;that&#8217;s not included with annual maintenance&#8217; etc.</p><p>Some enterprising upstarts are challenging this, but I think most of the innovation and change will be catalyzed from the open source camps, where investments are just starting to rock &#8216;n roll..</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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