Comments on: Google News Archive Search — Where Are the Links to Content from Libraries? http://dltj.org/article/google-nas-openurl/ We're Disrupted, We're Librarians, and We're Not Going to Take It Anymore Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:48:39 +0000 hourly 1 By: the jesterhttp://dltj.org/article/google-nas-openurl/comment-page-1/#comment-4212 the jester Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:03:57 +0000 http://dltj.org/2006/09/google-nas-openurl/#comment-4212 Hmmm -- interesting point. I've bought into the notion (hook, line and sinker) that the cost of electronic delivery is near zero, so if you do have content in digital form of some sort there is little incremental cost in making it available. Perhaps that is not a safe assumption? Hmmm — interesting point. I’ve bought into the notion (hook, line and sinker) that the cost of electronic delivery is near zero, so if you do have content in digital form of some sort there is little incremental cost in making it available. Perhaps that is not a safe assumption?

]]> By: Tom Wilsonhttp://dltj.org/article/google-nas-openurl/comment-page-1/#comment-4200 Tom Wilson Mon, 18 Sep 2006 11:01:29 +0000 http://dltj.org/2006/09/google-nas-openurl/#comment-4200 What I was focusing on is not so much do the vendors have the objects digitized, as are they offering it to subscribers currently. Vendors may have e-copies of things in e-form, perhaps for preservation purposes. That, in and of itself, does not mean that they make it available. What I was focusing on is not so much do the vendors have the objects digitized, as are they offering it to subscribers currently. Vendors may have e-copies of things in e-form, perhaps for preservation purposes. That, in and of itself, does not mean that they make it available.

]]> By: the jesterhttp://dltj.org/article/google-nas-openurl/comment-page-1/#comment-4046 the jester Fri, 15 Sep 2006 22:54:08 +0000 http://dltj.org/2006/09/google-nas-openurl/#comment-4046 [quote comment="4034"]<b>But</b> on the issue of access through other providers/publishers, is it clear that these other vendors have data going back 200 years already online?[/quote]I hadn't thought about it in quite that way, but I have to assume the answer is yes because Google has to have something to run through their OCR engine and indexes. Or was your question whether vendors that typically deal with the library community (e.g. Gale, Ebsco, etc.) have the content going back 200 years? We may need to forge alliances with other content providers, which admittedly does decrease the chance that something like OpenURLs in Google News Archive search results will actually happen. [quote comment="4034"]But on the issue of access through other providers/publishers, is it clear that these other vendors have data going back 200 years already online?[/quote]

I hadn’t thought about it in quite that way, but I have to assume the answer is yes because Google has to have something to run through their OCR engine and indexes. Or was your question whether vendors that typically deal with the library community (e.g. Gale, Ebsco, etc.) have the content going back 200 years? We may need to forge alliances with other content providers, which admittedly does decrease the chance that something like OpenURLs in Google News Archive search results will actually happen.

]]> By: Tom Wilsonhttp://dltj.org/article/google-nas-openurl/comment-page-1/#comment-4034 Tom Wilson Fri, 15 Sep 2006 16:41:27 +0000 http://dltj.org/2006/09/google-nas-openurl/#comment-4034 Yes, I agree that it would be great to have links to library holdings through OpenURL, particularly since Google is doing this in other projects. <b>But</b> on the issue of access through other providers/publishers, is it clear that these other vendors have data going back 200 years already online? Yes, I agree that it would be great to have links to library holdings through OpenURL, particularly since Google is doing this in other projects. But on the issue of access through other providers/publishers, is it clear that these other vendors have data going back 200 years already online?

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]]> By: the jesterhttp://dltj.org/article/google-nas-openurl/comment-page-1/#comment-3582 the jester Thu, 07 Sep 2006 23:47:08 +0000 http://dltj.org/2006/09/google-nas-openurl/#comment-3582 It looks like scenario #3, the Follow The Money one, may prove to be incorrect. Here is a paragraph from the end of <a href="http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/sep2006/tc20060906_877780.htm" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">this article from Business Week</a>:<blockquote> What's more, publishers don't have to share the wealth with Google. The search-engine company will receive no payment from publishers' content fees, advertising, or supplying traffic. Search results will be ranked by relevance, without any influence from publishers. The results initially will be served without Google's customary sponsored links on the right side of the page, and at the outset, Google won't make money directly from the service. </blockquote>So, assuming the difficulties that Thomas mentioned are not insurmountable, are we left with "in progress" or "benign neglect"? It looks like scenario #3, the Follow The Money one, may prove to be incorrect. Here is a paragraph from the end of this article from Business Week:

What’s more, publishers don’t have to share the wealth with Google. The search-engine company will receive no payment from publishers’ content fees, advertising, or supplying traffic. Search results will be ranked by relevance, without any influence from publishers. The results initially will be served without Google’s customary sponsored links on the right side of the page, and at the outset, Google won’t make money directly from the service.

So, assuming the difficulties that Thomas mentioned are not insurmountable, are we left with “in progress” or “benign neglect”?

]]> By: Thomas Dowlinghttp://dltj.org/article/google-nas-openurl/comment-page-1/#comment-3565 Thomas Dowling Thu, 07 Sep 2006 12:31:11 +0000 http://dltj.org/2006/09/google-nas-openurl/#comment-3565 One problem with linking to newspaper articles is that page-level details, and sometimes the date, may differ from edition to edition. A citation to the Podunk Daily Bugle early edition may be hard to track down in a database that archives the city final.Regardless, it's well past time for Google either to make library content something other than an afterthought, or fess up to being a shill for pay-per-view content sites. One problem with linking to newspaper articles is that page-level details, and sometimes the date, may differ from edition to edition. A citation to the Podunk Daily Bugle early edition may be hard to track down in a database that archives the city final.

Regardless, it’s well past time for Google either to make library content something other than an afterthought, or fess up to being a shill for pay-per-view content sites.

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