<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" xmlns:creativeCommons="http://backend.userland.com/creativeCommonsRssModule"	> <channel><title>Comments on: Google and DataNet:  Two Ships Passing in the Night, or Maybe Something More?</title> <atom:link href="http://dltj.org/article/google-and-datanet/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://dltj.org/article/google-and-datanet/</link> <description>We&#039;re Disrupted, We&#039;re Librarians, and We&#039;re Not Going to Take It Anymore</description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:48:39 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: simonfj</title><link>http://dltj.org/article/google-and-datanet/comment-page-1/#comment-32404</link> <dc:creator>simonfj</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:03:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://dltj.org/2008/01/google-and-datanet/#comment-32404</guid> <description>Peter, (Stu),I floated into your (very nice) domain  while trying to track down the Blue Ribbon task force&#039;s first page and also checked out your comments elsewhere.A question re:  &quot;the new organization&quot;.  I know everyone should have a blog today. The idea I guess is so that you have the pleasure of splitting every conversation, about similar things at different times,  between hundreds of domains.  As librarians I suppose you&#039;re ensuring the growth of stuff which will need classifying (with metadata of course).Can you tell me though. Taking that everyone in your library world considers  the term &#039;data&#039; to be interchangeable with &#039;information&#039;, and that communication between peers must reflect their institution&#039;s standing i.e. each must pump out the same information, like this press release, http://www.oclc.org/news/releases/200692.htm, which litters about 20 domains (so far). Do you think there may come a time where you and your peers might collaborate to produce and share an interactive environment?I was just considering this embryonic interactive  TV station/ Like most others it hits the wall as soon as they try and figure out how communities can be categorized in a (tool centric) domain. http://www.scivee.tv/aboutAny chance we could reverse the approach = classify a community first (maybe using a bibliographic number) and then see about backing some tools into their domain.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, (Stu),</p><p>I floated into your (very nice) domain  while trying to track down the Blue Ribbon task force&#8217;s first page and also checked out your comments elsewhere.</p><p>A question re:  &#8220;the new organization&#8221;.  I know everyone should have a blog today. The idea I guess is so that you have the pleasure of splitting every conversation, about similar things at different times,  between hundreds of domains.  As librarians I suppose you&#8217;re ensuring the growth of stuff which will need classifying (with metadata of course).</p><p>Can you tell me though. Taking that everyone in your library world considers  the term &#8216;data&#8217; to be interchangeable with &#8216;information&#8217;, and that communication between peers must reflect their institution&#8217;s standing i.e. each must pump out the same information, like this press release, <a href="http://www.oclc.org/news/releases/200692.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.oclc.org/news/releases/200692.htm</a>, which litters about 20 domains (so far). Do you think there may come a time where you and your peers might collaborate to produce and share an interactive environment?</p><p>I was just considering this embryonic interactive  TV station/ Like most others it hits the wall as soon as they try and figure out how communities can be categorized in a (tool centric) domain. <a href="http://www.scivee.tv/about" rel="nofollow">http://www.scivee.tv/about</a></p><p>Any chance we could reverse the approach = classify a community first (maybe using a bibliographic number) and then see about backing some tools into their domain.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: the jester</title><link>http://dltj.org/article/google-and-datanet/comment-page-1/#comment-29768</link> <dc:creator>the jester</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 02:41:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://dltj.org/2008/01/google-and-datanet/#comment-29768</guid> <description>Stu --First, I patched the problem that attributed the quote to you; it is apparently a known bug in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.damagedgoods.it/wp-plugins/quoter/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Quoter&lt;/a&gt; plug-in to WordPress.  The attribution line is gone, at least, until a permanent fix is made.As to your question of whether Google would enter into a &#039;new organization&#039; arrangement with partners:  that is a real unknown in this scheme.  Google has not been very transparent in many of its motives beyond its stated mission to &quot;organize the world&#039;s information and make it universally accessible and useful.&quot;  Long-time readers of &lt;acronym title=&quot;Disruptive Library Technology Jester&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;DLTJ&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/acronym&gt;know that &lt;a href=&quot;http://dltj.org/2007/08/clashing-values/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I&#039;m aware that commercial motives are not in perfect alignment with not-for-profit (particularly higher education) motives&lt;/a&gt;.  Still, if we are not successful in the first round of DataNet partner selection, I would propose that we approach Google in a partnership that would pair their &lt;em&gt;high-tech&lt;/em&gt; cyberinfrastructure with a &lt;em&gt;high-touch&lt;/em&gt; cadre of specialists that would help researchers &lt;strong&gt;effectively&lt;/strong&gt; get their stuff into the Google Research buckets.  Or, said another way, the high-touch portions of the partnership would bring better data and metadata to the Google Research site.It would me, of course, that the working relationship would extend to the parts of the DataNet solicitation that call for interoperability with other DataNet sites, and that might mean opening up programming interfaces into Google Research that they had not intended to pursue.  It would also likely mean that Google would need to add data preservation to their suite of services surrounding the Google Research project.  From the outside, it is difficult to tell whether Google Research is already considering the issues of preservation, or if they just consider it an &quot;access&quot; platform.If anyone inside Google is reading this and finds it interesting, feel free to give me a call.  My contacts inside your organization are severely limited to non-existent.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stu &#8211;</p><p>First, I patched the problem that attributed the quote to you; it is apparently a known bug in the <a href="http://www.damagedgoods.it/wp-plugins/quoter/" rel="nofollow">Quoter</a> plug-in to WordPress.  The attribution line is gone, at least, until a permanent fix is made.</p><p>As to your question of whether Google would enter into a &#8216;new organization&#8217; arrangement with partners:  that is a real unknown in this scheme.  Google has not been very transparent in many of its motives beyond its stated mission to &#8220;organize the world&#8217;s information and make it universally accessible and useful.&#8221;  Long-time readers of <acronym title="Disruptive Library Technology Jester"><i>DLTJ</i></acronym>know that <a href="http://dltj.org/2007/08/clashing-values/" rel="nofollow">I&#8217;m aware that commercial motives are not in perfect alignment with not-for-profit (particularly higher education) motives</a>.  Still, if we are not successful in the first round of DataNet partner selection, I would propose that we approach Google in a partnership that would pair their <em>high-tech</em> cyberinfrastructure with a <em>high-touch</em> cadre of specialists that would help researchers <strong>effectively</strong> get their stuff into the Google Research buckets.  Or, said another way, the high-touch portions of the partnership would bring better data and metadata to the Google Research site.</p><p>It would me, of course, that the working relationship would extend to the parts of the DataNet solicitation that call for interoperability with other DataNet sites, and that might mean opening up programming interfaces into Google Research that they had not intended to pursue.  It would also likely mean that Google would need to add data preservation to their suite of services surrounding the Google Research project.  From the outside, it is difficult to tell whether Google Research is already considering the issues of preservation, or if they just consider it an &#8220;access&#8221; platform.</p><p>If anyone inside Google is reading this and finds it interesting, feel free to give me a call.  My contacts inside your organization are severely limited to non-existent.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Stuart Weibel</title><link>http://dltj.org/article/google-and-datanet/comment-page-1/#comment-29758</link> <dc:creator>Stuart Weibel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 00:17:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://dltj.org/2008/01/google-and-datanet/#comment-29758</guid> <description>hoping its obvious that I&#039;ve misused the &quot;quote selected text&quot; option... the jester&#039;s words, not mine, are quoted from the above post</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hoping its obvious that I&#8217;ve misused the &#8220;quote selected text&#8221;<br /> option&#8230; the jester&#8217;s words, not mine, are quoted from the above<br /> post</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Stuart Weibel</title><link>http://dltj.org/article/google-and-datanet/comment-page-1/#comment-29757</link> <dc:creator>Stuart Weibel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 00:14:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://dltj.org/2008/01/google-and-datanet/#comment-29757</guid> <description>The speculation at the end of the post: [quote post=&quot;318&quot;]One wonders about the viability of creating a response to the DataNet solicitation that, in effect, outsources the cyberinfrastructure piece to Google and focuses on building the sustainable organization model surrounding the description and dissemination of the data.[/quote] raises the question of why Google would enter into such an arrangement? Their model -- bring eyes into proximity to Google-ads -- may be an answer, but by and large they aren&#039;t known as an organization eager to surrender policy or strategy choices to others, which is pretty much what would be implied in one of the &#039;new organizations&#039; that NSF calls out as a central objective of the DataNet solicitation. Interesting idea, though. stu, who is also a DataNet supplicant.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The speculation at the end of the post: [quote<br /> post="318"]One wonders about the viability of creating a<br /> response to the DataNet solicitation that, in effect, outsources<br /> the cyberinfrastructure piece to Google and focuses on building the<br /> sustainable organization model surrounding the description and<br /> dissemination of the data.[/quote] raises the question of why<br /> Google would enter into such an arrangement? Their model &#8212; bring<br /> eyes into proximity to Google-ads &#8212; may be an answer, but by and<br /> large they aren&#8217;t known as an organization eager to surrender<br /> policy or strategy choices to others, which is pretty much what<br /> would be implied in one of the &#8216;new organizations&#8217; that NSF calls<br /> out as a central objective of the DataNet solicitation. Interesting<br /> idea, though. stu, who is also a DataNet supplicant.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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