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	<title>Comments on: Google Book Search Settlement: Reviewing the Notice of Settlement</title>
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	<description>We&#039;re Disrupted, We&#039;re Librarians, and We&#039;re Not Going to Take It Anymore</description>
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		<title>By: the Jester</title>
		<link>http://dltj.org/article/gbs-settlement-2/comment-page-1/#comment-34842</link>
		<dc:creator>the Jester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Lauren -- I wish I could provide some advice, but I&#039;ve only examined the settlement from a library perspective.  I&#039;m not a publisher (or even an author of anything that would be eligible for coverage under the Settlement), so I don&#039;t have any insight there.  Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Lauren &#8212; I wish I could provide some advice, but I&#8217;ve only examined the settlement from a library perspective.  I&#8217;m not a publisher (or even an author of anything that would be eligible for coverage under the Settlement), so I don&#8217;t have any insight there.  Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
		<link>http://dltj.org/article/gbs-settlement-2/comment-page-1/#comment-34819</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 01:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks much for this summary. Very helpful! I have a question... We recently discovered that some of our books have been posted by another publisher without our permission (prompting customers to their website of course), while other titles are simply listed (no preview), but with very incorrect information.

We wanted to join the publisher program so that we could make sure our listings are all correct (and ours!!). However, if we join now, it would seem that we are still required to submit to the current &quot;rules&quot; about content display etc such as 20%-100% of the book and only collecting revenue from ads (I understand that they haven&#039;t started selling direct pdfs or subscriptions to libraries yet). 

We&#039;re not comfortable with this and would prefer snippets or 10%. 

Do you think we should wait to sign up until after the settlement has been agreed upon to make sure we are included in the new rights granted to publishers? I don&#039;t want the fact that we sign up now to be some sort of confirmation that we AGREE with how google has handled this to date... 

Thanks for any advice!
-Lauren</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks much for this summary. Very helpful! I have a question&#8230; We recently discovered that some of our books have been posted by another publisher without our permission (prompting customers to their website of course), while other titles are simply listed (no preview), but with very incorrect information.</p>
<p>We wanted to join the publisher program so that we could make sure our listings are all correct (and ours!!). However, if we join now, it would seem that we are still required to submit to the current &#8220;rules&#8221; about content display etc such as 20%-100% of the book and only collecting revenue from ads (I understand that they haven&#8217;t started selling direct pdfs or subscriptions to libraries yet). </p>
<p>We&#8217;re not comfortable with this and would prefer snippets or 10%. </p>
<p>Do you think we should wait to sign up until after the settlement has been agreed upon to make sure we are included in the new rights granted to publishers? I don&#8217;t want the fact that we sign up now to be some sort of confirmation that we AGREE with how google has handled this to date&#8230; </p>
<p>Thanks for any advice!<br />
-Lauren</p>
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		<title>By: Digital Repositories &#38; Open Access at Auraria: Google, digitization &#38; books</title>
		<link>http://dltj.org/article/gbs-settlement-2/comment-page-1/#comment-34608</link>
		<dc:creator>Digital Repositories &#38; Open Access at Auraria: Google, digitization &#38; books</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 01:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] blog Google Book Search Settlement: Reviewing the Notice of Settlementhttp://dltj.org/article/gbs-settlement-2/The full text of the settlementwww.googlebooksettlement.com/agreement.htmlLabels: digitization, open [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Google Book Settlement Link Dump Awesomeness at pureinformation.org</title>
		<link>http://dltj.org/article/gbs-settlement-2/comment-page-1/#comment-34327</link>
		<dc:creator>Google Book Settlement Link Dump Awesomeness at pureinformation.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Disruptive Library Technology Jester: Google Book Search Settlement: Reviewing the Notice of Settlement - http://dltj.org/article/gbs-settlement-2/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Disruptive Library Technology Jester: Google Book Search Settlement: Reviewing the Notice of Settlement &#8211; <a href="http://dltj.org/article/gbs-settlement-2/" rel="nofollow">http://dltj.org/article/gbs-settlement-2/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: the Jester</title>
		<link>http://dltj.org/article/gbs-settlement-2/comment-page-1/#comment-34315</link>
		<dc:creator>the Jester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 01:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Claudia --

I&#039;m assuming BEA is &quot;Book Expo America&quot; (formerly known as the American Booksellers Association Convention).   (I&#039;m guessing this because a &lt;a href=&quot;&quot;http://www.google.com/search?num=20&amp;hl=en&amp;q=bea+may+2009&amp;btnG=Search&amp;num=20&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Google search for &quot;BEA May 2009&quot;&lt;/a&gt; pulled up the &lt;a href=&quot;&quot;http://www.bookexpoamerica.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Book Expo America&lt;/a&gt; website.)  It would seem to make since to put these two events (the BEA convention and the final settlement/fairness hearing) closer together.  Hopefully &lt;a href=&quot;&quot;http://www1.nysd.uscourts.gov/judge_info.php?id=30&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Judge Sprizzo&lt;/a&gt; will listen to your request and rearrange the calendar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Claudia &#8211;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m assuming BEA is &#8220;Book Expo America&#8221; (formerly known as the American Booksellers Association Convention).   (I&#8217;m guessing this because a <a href="&quot;http://www.google.com/search?num=20&#038;hl=en&#038;q=bea+may+2009&#038;btnG=Search&#038;num=20&#038;aq=f&#038;oq=" rel="nofollow">Google search for &#8220;BEA May 2009&#8243;</a> pulled up the <a href="&quot;http://www.bookexpoamerica.com/" rel="nofollow">Book Expo America</a> website.)  It would seem to make since to put these two events (the BEA convention and the final settlement/fairness hearing) closer together.  Hopefully <a href="&quot;http://www1.nysd.uscourts.gov/judge_info.php?id=30" rel="nofollow">Judge Sprizzo</a> will listen to your request and rearrange the calendar.</p>
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		<title>By: Claudia Pearson</title>
		<link>http://dltj.org/article/gbs-settlement-2/comment-page-1/#comment-34312</link>
		<dc:creator>Claudia Pearson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The date set for the fairness hearing is only 10 days after the BEA. I&#039;m filing a motion that asks the judge to change this to June 1 so those attending the BEA can also attend to the fairness hearing if they want, without having to incur additional travel/lodging expenses.

The date is set as part of a schedule based on the date of the class notice, so unless many rights holders request that the date be changed, the judge may not be willing. Call the judge&#039;s office or send him a letter asking for this change if you would like to attend the hearing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The date set for the fairness hearing is only 10 days after the BEA. I&#8217;m filing a motion that asks the judge to change this to June 1 so those attending the BEA can also attend to the fairness hearing if they want, without having to incur additional travel/lodging expenses.</p>
<p>The date is set as part of a schedule based on the date of the class notice, so unless many rights holders request that the date be changed, the judge may not be willing. Call the judge&#8217;s office or send him a letter asking for this change if you would like to attend the hearing.</p>
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		<title>By: Settlement controlled pricing and tests on effects of openness (©ollectanea)</title>
		<link>http://dltj.org/article/gbs-settlement-2/comment-page-1/#comment-34264</link>
		<dc:creator>Settlement controlled pricing and tests on effects of openness (©ollectanea)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 18:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] In my search I came across a nice summary (actually I came across many nice summaries) of the 38 page notice (itself a summary of the deal) and it has links to the settlement, so I&#039;ll reference it here for the hearty souls that want to read the details for themselves. And as usual, there&#039;s 10 times more information in a paragraph in a contract than a discussion of one of the points can deal with. This deal could keep us busy for years. Here&#039;s the summary: Google Book Search Settlement: Reviewing the Notice of Settlement &#124; Disruptive Library Technology Je.... [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Google Books, diverging interests, and OpenURL &#171; Bibliographic Wilderness</title>
		<link>http://dltj.org/article/gbs-settlement-2/comment-page-1/#comment-34172</link>
		<dc:creator>Google Books, diverging interests, and OpenURL &#171; Bibliographic Wilderness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 16:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 1, 2008 Posted by jrochkind in General.  trackback  Peter Brantley notes some concerns about the Google Book Search settlement, especially regarding income from book [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jim C</title>
		<link>http://dltj.org/article/gbs-settlement-2/comment-page-1/#comment-34140</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 08:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read it all-- the settlement.  Here&#039;s some big  problem with it:

-- Limited printing abilities. Public Library users have to pay a per-page fee.

-- no downloads, so it&#039;s not iTunes for books. Even purchasers can only view the material-- not download it.

-- no remote access unless you&#039;re part of a big participating institution.

-- public libraries only get one terminal to view books-- big deal-- nobody wants to read a book on a library computer.

Public domain monies-- if accidentally collected-- go to the Registry to be distributed and stay there, even if identified later to have been wrongfully collected for PD works.  Say what?!! -- that gives Google and the Registry a great incentive NOT to identify post 1922 PD works very quickly.

Google says they will set up a PD database, and identify all PD works, but when-- they still have not released all their PD works in full view.

All in all-- pretty mickey mouse. Not that much to cheer about. Kind of a racket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read it all&#8211; the settlement.  Here&#8217;s some big  problem with it:</p>
<p>&#8211; Limited printing abilities. Public Library users have to pay a per-page fee.</p>
<p>&#8211; no downloads, so it&#8217;s not iTunes for books. Even purchasers can only view the material&#8211; not download it.</p>
<p>&#8211; no remote access unless you&#8217;re part of a big participating institution.</p>
<p>&#8211; public libraries only get one terminal to view books&#8211; big deal&#8211; nobody wants to read a book on a library computer.</p>
<p>Public domain monies&#8211; if accidentally collected&#8211; go to the Registry to be distributed and stay there, even if identified later to have been wrongfully collected for PD works.  Say what?!! &#8212; that gives Google and the Registry a great incentive NOT to identify post 1922 PD works very quickly.</p>
<p>Google says they will set up a PD database, and identify all PD works, but when&#8211; they still have not released all their PD works in full view.</p>
<p>All in all&#8211; pretty mickey mouse. Not that much to cheer about. Kind of a racket.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Murray</title>
		<link>http://dltj.org/article/gbs-settlement-2/comment-page-1/#comment-34130</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this I have only recently discovered your excellent blog.  As for the special treatment of educational books.  The publishers named as plaintiffs are textbook publishers.  I guess they left everyone else to fend for themselves.  

As for the rights registry,  this is a good idea, and Google has already done significant work to assemble and distribute it as a huge XML file.  Setting up a a forward going maintenance plan and organization is good.

The agreement seems generally corrupt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this I have only recently discovered your excellent blog.  As for the special treatment of educational books.  The publishers named as plaintiffs are textbook publishers.  I guess they left everyone else to fend for themselves.  </p>
<p>As for the rights registry,  this is a good idea, and Google has already done significant work to assemble and distribute it as a huge XML file.  Setting up a a forward going maintenance plan and organization is good.</p>
<p>The agreement seems generally corrupt</p>
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