Comments on: A Vision for FEDORA’s Future, an Implementation Plan to Get There, and a Project Update http://dltj.org/article/fedora-update/ We're Disrupted, We're Librarians, and We're Not Going to Take It Anymore Thu, 02 Sep 2010 08:58:34 +0000 hourly 1 By: Graham Harris http://dltj.org/article/fedora-update/comment-page-1/#comment-15832 Graham Harris Mon, 21 May 2007 11:41:59 +0000 http://dltj.org/2007/01/fedora-update/#comment-15832 I'm with you. Booogaloo for standards compliance particularly standards we never heard of. what matters is apps on the desktop. I found this thread because some joker mentioned Clarion, which is a joke except that it's a hugely- productive software environment, whether you're a lone independent or a corporate insider: you can build on your own Clarion is (perhaps was- when will they ship v7) a fine code generator, with a great set of libraries that delivers apps that behave like proper Windows apps. "like proper Windows apps" is not to endorse Windows, but to recognise that the Windows UI conventions matter a lot: if you want to provide a migration path off Windows, provide apps that do what Windows apps do, with the same keystrokes. [quote comment="11825"]So Sandy Payette gives four major areas where Fedora will shine. What about basic business software, such as accounting? The problem promoting open source, and Linux in particular, is a complete lack of development tools suitable for the use of an IT person with an AA degree. We're talking about something like a Clarion (boy, that dates me) or Access equivalent. Something that lets casual programmers turn out domain specific applications. Without that, the open source movement just won't grow. With that, the growth will be astronomical. Joe Programmer writes a department specific application. The department head asks how much does it cost to roll out? Well, nothing. We had a spare computer. It runs Linux. This app runs under Linux. As long as open source means one needs a CS degree to piece things together, Linux won't grow. In fact Oracle, with the free but (reasonably) limited XE server, has done the most towards this goal of easier application development: database, web server, and environment all in one install image. I've written an open source accounting package: it's at <a href="//openaccounting.sourceforge.net" rel="nofollow">openacounting.sourceforge.net</a>. Unfortunately it requires Access, which is not open source. What are my options for distributing platform independent, royalty free run times? Other then Oracle XE, I can't think of any.[/quote] I’m with you. Booogaloo for standards compliance particularly standards we never heard of. what matters is apps on the desktop. I found this thread because some joker mentioned Clarion, which is a joke except that it’s a hugely- productive software environment, whether you’re a lone independent or a corporate insider: you can build on your own

Clarion is (perhaps was- when will they ship v7) a fine code generator, with a great set of libraries that delivers apps that behave like proper Windows apps. “like proper Windows apps” is not to endorse Windows, but to recognise that the Windows UI conventions matter a lot: if you want to provide a migration path off Windows, provide apps that do what Windows apps do, with the same keystrokes.

[quote comment="11825"]So Sandy Payette gives four major areas where Fedora will shine. What about basic business software, such as accounting?

The problem promoting open source, and Linux in particular, is a complete lack of development tools suitable for the use of an IT person with an AA degree. We’re talking about something like a Clarion (boy, that dates me) or Access equivalent. Something that lets casual programmers turn out domain specific applications.

Without that, the open source movement just won’t grow. With that, the growth will be astronomical. Joe Programmer writes a department specific application. The department head asks how much does it cost to roll out? Well, nothing. We had a spare computer. It runs Linux. This app runs under Linux.

As long as open source means one needs a CS degree to piece things together, Linux won’t grow. In fact Oracle, with the free but (reasonably) limited XE server, has done the most towards this goal of easier application development: database, web server, and environment all in one install image.

I’ve written an open source accounting package: it’s at openacounting.sourceforge.net. Unfortunately it requires Access, which is not open source. What are my options for distributing platform independent, royalty free run times? Other then Oracle XE, I can’t think of any.[/quote]

]]> By: Road Report: Second Annual Open Repositories Conference (OR07) in San Antonio http://dltj.org/article/fedora-update/comment-page-1/#comment-13107 Road Report: Second Annual Open Repositories Conference (OR07) in San Antonio Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:21:46 +0000 http://dltj.org/2007/01/fedora-update/#comment-13107 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Sandy Payette, Co-director of the Fedora project, Cornell, reviewed Fedora 2.2 as an "Open source platform that integrates robust core software with dynamic content access that includes collaborative applications and web access/re-use. It is a technology for complex digital objects. As contrasted with a technology such as Wikipedia's MediaWiki –ideal for working with wiki-based resources – FEDORA is great for many different applications, including as a content store for wikis. In other words, one is not tied to one particular application or use case."1 She also presented an overview of a new FEDORA Commons,2 which will provide a non-profit organizational home to support core software development and the growing Fedora community. Download software here. [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> Kramer auto Pingback[...] Sandy Payette, Co-director of the Fedora project, Cornell, reviewed Fedora 2.2 as an “Open source platform that integrates robust core software with dynamic content access that includes collaborative applications and web access/re-use. It is a technology for complex digital objects. As contrasted with a technology such as Wikipedia’s MediaWiki –ideal for working with wiki-based resources – FEDORA is great for many different applications, including as a content store for wikis. In other words, one is not tied to one particular application or use case.”1 She also presented an overview of a new FEDORA Commons,2 which will provide a non-profit organizational home to support core software development and the growing Fedora community. Download software here. [...]

]]> By: Main Page - FedoraWiki http://dltj.org/article/fedora-update/comment-page-1/#comment-12058 Main Page - FedoraWiki Mon, 05 Feb 2007 00:23:07 +0000 http://dltj.org/2007/01/fedora-update/#comment-12058 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] Payette, A Vision for Fedora’s Future, An Implementation Plan to Get There, and A Project Update [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> Kramer auto Pingback[...] Payette, A Vision for Fedora’s Future, An Implementation Plan to Get There, and A Project Update [...]

]]> By: NSDL Road Reports » Blog Archive » NSDL Presentations at Open Repositories 2007 http://dltj.org/article/fedora-update/comment-page-1/#comment-11959 NSDL Road Reports » Blog Archive » NSDL Presentations at Open Repositories 2007 Thu, 01 Feb 2007 19:33:05 +0000 http://dltj.org/2007/01/fedora-update/#comment-11959 [...] Payette, A Vision for Fedora’s Future, An Implementation Plan to Get There, and A Project Update http://dltj.org/2007/01/fedora-update/ [...] [...] Payette, A Vision for Fedora’s Future, An Implementation Plan to Get There, and A Project Update http://dltj.org/2007/01/fedora-update/ [...]

]]> By: Open Repositories 2007 - IU Digital Library Program Confluence http://dltj.org/article/fedora-update/comment-page-1/#comment-11956 Open Repositories 2007 - IU Digital Library Program Confluence Thu, 01 Feb 2007 19:28:38 +0000 http://dltj.org/2007/01/fedora-update/#comment-11956 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] The big news is that Fedora will be moving out of Virginia/Cornell, and into the Fedora Commons Foundation. For more details, see the Jester's blog entry on Sandy Payette's plenary talk. [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> Kramer auto Pingback[...] The big news is that Fedora will be moving out of Virginia/Cornell, and into the Fedora Commons Foundation. For more details, see the Jester’s blog entry on Sandy Payette’s plenary talk. [...]

]]> By: NSDL Road Reports » Blog Archive » Highlights of Kaye Howe’s Address at the Second International Open Repositories Conference http://dltj.org/article/fedora-update/comment-page-1/#comment-11895 NSDL Road Reports » Blog Archive » Highlights of Kaye Howe’s Address at the Second International Open Repositories Conference Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:54:46 +0000 http://dltj.org/2007/01/fedora-update/#comment-11895 [...] In a keynote address to the Fedora Users Group at the Second International Open Repositories Conference entitled, “”Risk, What Risk: Choosing Fedora for the National Science Digital Library” Kaye Howe, Executive Director for NSDL’s Core Integration project began her remarks with humor and candor. She asked if everyone could see what she referred to as “the last legal pad” where, she assured attendees, she would be sketching visual aides. She set a near perfect counterpoint tone to Sandy Payette’s sweeping organizational and technical presentation with a cautionary quote from T.S. Eliot: “We had the experience, but missed the meaning.” [...] [...] In a keynote address to the Fedora Users Group at the Second International Open Repositories Conference entitled, “”Risk, What Risk: Choosing Fedora for the National Science Digital Library” Kaye Howe, Executive Director for NSDL’s Core Integration project began her remarks with humor and candor. She asked if everyone could see what she referred to as “the last legal pad” where, she assured attendees, she would be sketching visual aides. She set a near perfect counterpoint tone to Sandy Payette’s sweeping organizational and technical presentation with a cautionary quote from T.S. Eliot: “We had the experience, but missed the meaning.” [...]

]]> By: the jester http://dltj.org/article/fedora-update/comment-page-1/#comment-11839 the jester Sun, 28 Jan 2007 02:47:15 +0000 http://dltj.org/2007/01/fedora-update/#comment-11839 [quote comment="11825"]So Sandy Payette gives four major areas where Fedora will shine. What about basic business software, such as accounting?[/quote] I think you have mistaken Fedora, the flexible extensible digital object repository architecture (<a href="http://www.fedora.info/" rel="nofollow">www.fedora.info</a>), with Fedora, the operating system (<a href="http://fedora.redhat.com/" rel="nofollow">fedora.redhat.com</a>). If I have misread your comment, please write back. [quote comment="11825"]So Sandy Payette gives four major areas where Fedora will shine. What about basic business software, such as accounting?[/quote]

I think you have mistaken Fedora, the flexible extensible digital object repository architecture (http://www.fedora.info), with Fedora, the operating system (fedora.redhat.com). If I have misread your comment, please write back.

]]> By: Jason Paul Kazarian http://dltj.org/article/fedora-update/comment-page-1/#comment-11825 Jason Paul Kazarian Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:19:10 +0000 http://dltj.org/2007/01/fedora-update/#comment-11825 So Sandy Payette gives four major areas where Fedora will shine. What about basic business software, such as accounting? The problem promoting open source, and Linux in particular, is a complete lack of development tools suitable for the use of an IT person with an AA degree. We're talking about something like a Clarion (boy, that dates me) or Access equivalent. Something that lets casual programmers turn out domain specific applications. Without that, the open source movement just won't grow. With that, the growth will be astronomical. Joe Programmer writes a department specific application. The department head asks how much does it cost to roll out? Well, nothing. We had a spare computer. It runs Linux. This app runs under Linux. As long as open source means one needs a CS degree to piece things together, Linux won't grow. In fact Oracle, with the free but (reasonably) limited XE server, has done the most towards this goal of easier application development: database, web server, and environment all in one install image. I've written an open source accounting package: it's at <a href="http://openaccounting.sourceforge.net" rel="nofollow">openacounting.sourceforge.net</a>. Unfortunately it requires Access, which is not open source. What are my options for distributing platform independent, royalty free run times? Other then Oracle XE, I can't think of any. So Sandy Payette gives four major areas where Fedora will shine. What about basic business software, such as accounting?

The problem promoting open source, and Linux in particular, is a complete lack of development tools suitable for the use of an IT person with an AA degree. We’re talking about something like a Clarion (boy, that dates me) or Access equivalent. Something that lets casual programmers turn out domain specific applications.

Without that, the open source movement just won’t grow. With that, the growth will be astronomical. Joe Programmer writes a department specific application. The department head asks how much does it cost to roll out? Well, nothing. We had a spare computer. It runs Linux. This app runs under Linux.

As long as open source means one needs a CS degree to piece things together, Linux won’t grow. In fact Oracle, with the free but (reasonably) limited XE server, has done the most towards this goal of easier application development: database, web server, and environment all in one install image.

I’ve written an open source accounting package: it’s at openacounting.sourceforge.net. Unfortunately it requires Access, which is not open source. What are my options for distributing platform independent, royalty free run times? Other then Oracle XE, I can’t think of any.

]]> By: LoomWare http://dltj.org/article/fedora-update/comment-page-1/#comment-11823 LoomWare Sat, 27 Jan 2007 15:30:08 +0000 http://dltj.org/2007/01/fedora-update/#comment-11823 <strong>Fedora a Better Repository Alternative?...</strong> A Vision for FEDORAs Future The Fedora Project recently released version 2.2 of their Fedora repository system and Peter Murray provides a nice summary based on a presentation by Sandy Payette, Fedora co-director. I have been thinking about this stuff... Fedora a Better Repository Alternative?…

A Vision for FEDORAs Future The Fedora Project recently released version 2.2 of their Fedora repository system and Peter Murray provides a nice summary based on a presentation by Sandy Payette, Fedora co-director. I have been thinking about this stuff…

]]> By: blogs | EDUCAUSE CONNECT http://dltj.org/article/fedora-update/comment-page-1/#comment-11801 blogs | EDUCAUSE CONNECT Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:50:14 +0000 http://dltj.org/2007/01/fedora-update/#comment-11801 <!--%kramer-pre%-->that has already spurred the next round of Microsoft jokes, the Redmond giant has filed a patent application for a technology for "immortal" data storage, allowing information to be saved for eons, even if the hard disk goes the way of the palimpsest."A Vision for FEDORA's Future, an Implementation Plan to Get There, and a Project Update" This morning, Sandy Payette of Cornell University and FEDORA project co-director, gave an update on the FEDORA project including a statement of a vision for FEDORA's future, information about the emerging FEDORA Commons non-profit, and a status<!--%kramer-post%--> links from Technoratithat has already spurred the next round of Microsoft jokes, the Redmond giant has filed a patent application for a technology for “immortal” data storage, allowing information to be saved for eons, even if the hard disk goes the way of the palimpsest.”A Vision for FEDORA’s Future, an Implementation Plan to Get There, and a Project Update” This morning, Sandy Payette of Cornell University and FEDORA project co-director, gave an update on the FEDORA project including a statement of a vision for FEDORA’s future, information about the emerging FEDORA Commons non-profit, and a status

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