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	<title>Comments on: Educational Patents, Open Access Journals, and Clashing Values</title>
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	<description>We&#039;re Disrupted, We&#039;re Librarians, and We&#039;re Not Going to Take It Anymore</description>
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		<title>By: More on Commercial Versus Not-For-Profit Open Access Publishing in Disruptive Library Technology Jester</title>
		<link>http://dltj.org/article/clashing-values/comment-page-1/#comment-22053</link>
		<dc:creator>More on Commercial Versus Not-For-Profit Open Access Publishing in Disruptive Library Technology Jester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of businesses and that of not-for-profit higher education. The discussion started with &#8220;Educational Patents, Open Access Journals, and Clashing Values&#8221; and continued with a focus on open access publishing specifically with &#8220;What Is BioMed [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of businesses and that of not-for-profit higher education. The discussion started with &#8220;Educational Patents, Open Access Journals, and Clashing Values&#8221; and continued with a focus on open access publishing specifically with &#8220;What Is BioMed [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Disruptive Library Technology Jester :: Aligning Clashing Values</title>
		<link>http://dltj.org/article/clashing-values/comment-page-1/#comment-20628</link>
		<dc:creator>Disruptive Library Technology Jester :: Aligning Clashing Values</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 16:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] brings up a good point that isn&#8217;t addressed in my earlier postings. The summation of his post is: we should be careful not to over generalize. There are [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] brings up a good point that isn&#8217;t addressed in my earlier postings. The summation of his post is: we should be careful not to over generalize. There are [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Coppola</title>
		<link>http://dltj.org/article/clashing-values/comment-page-1/#comment-20609</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Coppola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just stumbled on a post called &quot;Educational Patents, Open Access Journals, and Clashing Values&quot;, which is a great introductory resource on what&#039;s going on with Blackboard and their educational software patents against education. One additi...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just stumbled on a post called &quot;Educational Patents, Open Access Journals, and Clashing Values&quot;, which is a great introductory resource on what&#8217;s going on with Blackboard and their educational software patents against education. One additi&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: the jester</title>
		<link>http://dltj.org/article/clashing-values/comment-page-1/#comment-20526</link>
		<dc:creator>the jester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, Bill, we are closer to agreement than it might have appeared on the surface.  Yes, I agree that the traditional model of for-profit publishing (and that traditionally exhibited by scholarly publishers that use journal publishing as a subsidy for other activities) feels a great deal like getting ripped off.  And your defense of BMC in light of its open access benefits at no greater expense than those traditional publisher models is admirable.

Part of my own internal confusion was equating open access with not-for-profit publishing ventures.  I&#039;ve expanded on these thoughts in a posting on &lt;acronym title=&quot;&quot;Disruptive Library Technology Jester&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;DLTJ&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/acronym&gt; this morning called &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;&quot;http://dltj.org/2007/08/what-is-biomed-central/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;What Is BioMed Central?&lt;/a&gt;&quot;.

Thank you for prompting this conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, Bill, we are closer to agreement than it might have appeared on the surface.  Yes, I agree that the traditional model of for-profit publishing (and that traditionally exhibited by scholarly publishers that use journal publishing as a subsidy for other activities) feels a great deal like getting ripped off.  And your defense of BMC in light of its open access benefits at no greater expense than those traditional publisher models is admirable.</p>
<p>Part of my own internal confusion was equating open access with not-for-profit publishing ventures.  I&#8217;ve expanded on these thoughts in a posting on <acronym title="&quot;Disruptive Library Technology Jester"><i>DLTJ</i></acronym> this morning called &#8220;<a href="&quot;http://dltj.org/2007/08/what-is-biomed-central/" rel="nofollow">What Is BioMed Central?</a>&#8220;.</p>
<p>Thank you for prompting this conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: Disruptive Library Technology Jester :: What Is BioMed Central?</title>
		<link>http://dltj.org/article/clashing-values/comment-page-1/#comment-20524</link>
		<dc:creator>Disruptive Library Technology Jester :: What Is BioMed Central?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] posting on Friday about the clashing values of academic institutions and businesses prompted a comment from Bill Hooker about linking to his blog posting about the pricing structure [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://dltj.org/article/clashing-values/comment-page-1/#comment-20522</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If BMC’s model were to truly scale effectively and represent real costs, the more manuscripts would represent a &lt;i&gt;lower cost per article&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ah, I see your point (though I think that more ms submissions means higher costs to the publisher, too, so cost/article would only drop as economies of scale came into play and could be passed on to consumers).

I have never objected to for-profit publishing &lt;i&gt;per se&lt;/i&gt;, but &lt;a href=&quot;//www.libraryjournal.com/article/CA6431958.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;average profit margins of 25%&lt;/a&gt; and a rate of serials price increase &lt;a href=&quot;//www.unc.edu/scholcomdig/whitepapers/panitch-michalak.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;around three times the CPI increase&lt;/a&gt; start to make me suspect I&#039;m being ripped off.  

So you&#039;re right, it&#039;s worth remembering that BMC &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; a business, and I&#039;d be curious to know what their profit margin is.    

On the other hand, what numbers I can find indicate that the academic community could support commercial OA publishers at no greater expense than the traditional model, and perhaps significant savings, while gaining the considerable benefits of OA.  Hence my defense of BMC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If BMC’s model were to truly scale effectively and represent real costs, the more manuscripts would represent a <i>lower cost per article</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Ah, I see your point (though I think that more ms submissions means higher costs to the publisher, too, so cost/article would only drop as economies of scale came into play and could be passed on to consumers).</p>
<p>I have never objected to for-profit publishing <i>per se</i>, but <a href="//www.libraryjournal.com/article/CA6431958.html" rel="nofollow">average profit margins of 25%</a> and a rate of serials price increase <a href="//www.unc.edu/scholcomdig/whitepapers/panitch-michalak.html" rel="nofollow">around three times the CPI increase</a> start to make me suspect I&#8217;m being ripped off.  </p>
<p>So you&#8217;re right, it&#8217;s worth remembering that BMC <i>is</i> a business, and I&#8217;d be curious to know what their profit margin is.    </p>
<p>On the other hand, what numbers I can find indicate that the academic community could support commercial OA publishers at no greater expense than the traditional model, and perhaps significant savings, while gaining the considerable benefits of OA.  Hence my defense of BMC.</p>
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		<title>By: Educational Patents, Open Access Journals, and Clashing Values &#124; OpenSourceCommunity.org</title>
		<link>http://dltj.org/article/clashing-values/comment-page-1/#comment-20464</link>
		<dc:creator>Educational Patents, Open Access Journals, and Clashing Values &#124; OpenSourceCommunity.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 22:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] Educational Patents, Open Access Journals, and Clashing Values is an excellent discussion and collection of resources on patents in education and Blackboard. Here are graphics and an easy to understand explanation of the &quot;intellectual property&quot; Blackboard is trying to protect with patents. [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: the jester</title>
		<link>http://dltj.org/article/clashing-values/comment-page-1/#comment-20460</link>
		<dc:creator>the jester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 21:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;20402&quot;]I don&#039;t think you could be more wrong about BMC, and I am puzzled as to why you would link my post in that context.  My point was basically that BMC&#039;s pricing is far from unreasonable.[/quote]

I linked to your post because I believe it shows how BMC is exhibiting values more characteristic of a business and less like an academic institution.  In particular, I would point to this paragraph:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The increased cost arises because Yale researchers are submitting more and more work to BMC journals.  More manuscripts = higher costs, but if the cost per article has not gone up, then BMC&#039;s model scales effectively.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If BMC&#039;s model were to truly scale effectively and represent real costs, the more manuscripts would represent a &lt;em&gt;lower cost per article&lt;/em&gt; as the fixed costs of the publishing activity are spread out over more articles.  That they do not (and in their blog posting suggest other ways of covering the costs) would seem to hint at some other variable hidden from public view.  In the business arena, that might be called a &quot;profit margin&quot; -- in this case, I don&#039;t know what to call it, but it does seem to exist.

It is not my intention to suggest that open access models are wrong -- quite to the contrary, I&#039;m an open access proponent.  I do suggest, however, that BMC&#039;s model may be more in line with traditional business values than traditional academic values, and that is something to be aware of as a academic community so we are not surprised by it later down the line.  (Or that we work collectively to change the underlying values.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment="20402"]I don&#8217;t think you could be more wrong about BMC, and I am puzzled as to why you would link my post in that context.  My point was basically that BMC&#8217;s pricing is far from unreasonable.[/quote]</p>
<p>I linked to your post because I believe it shows how BMC is exhibiting values more characteristic of a business and less like an academic institution.  In particular, I would point to this paragraph:</p>
<blockquote><p>The increased cost arises because Yale researchers are submitting more and more work to BMC journals.  More manuscripts = higher costs, but if the cost per article has not gone up, then BMC&#8217;s model scales effectively.</p></blockquote>
<p>If BMC&#8217;s model were to truly scale effectively and represent real costs, the more manuscripts would represent a <em>lower cost per article</em> as the fixed costs of the publishing activity are spread out over more articles.  That they do not (and in their blog posting suggest other ways of covering the costs) would seem to hint at some other variable hidden from public view.  In the business arena, that might be called a &#8220;profit margin&#8221; &#8212; in this case, I don&#8217;t know what to call it, but it does seem to exist.</p>
<p>It is not my intention to suggest that open access models are wrong &#8212; quite to the contrary, I&#8217;m an open access proponent.  I do suggest, however, that BMC&#8217;s model may be more in line with traditional business values than traditional academic values, and that is something to be aware of as a academic community so we are not surprised by it later down the line.  (Or that we work collectively to change the underlying values.)</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://dltj.org/article/clashing-values/comment-page-1/#comment-20402</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 07:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think you could be more wrong about BMC, and I am puzzled as to why you would link my post in that context.  My point was basically that BMC&#039;s pricing is far from unreasonable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think you could be more wrong about BMC, and I am puzzled as to why you would link my post in that context.  My point was basically that BMC&#8217;s pricing is far from unreasonable.</p>
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		<title>By: More on BioMed Central memberships &#171; Be openly accessible or be obscure</title>
		<link>http://dltj.org/article/clashing-values/comment-page-1/#comment-20356</link>
		<dc:creator>More on BioMed Central memberships &#171; Be openly accessible or be obscure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 11:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] For some more reactions to the Yale announcement, found via Educational Patents, Open Access Journals, and Clashing Values: [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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